zahra
02-28-2009, 08:35 AM
during a discussion; a question was put forward and refuted as such....
[]the question: It is well known fact that Imam Hussain (RA) is the grand son of Holy Prophet (S) and Son of Hazrat Ali (RA) and Janabe Fatima (RA), and one of the most Holy personalities of Islam.
But when we go to the reason behind why he has been martyred in the battle of Karbala, the fact is very heinous and strange. Those who are taking name of Imam Hussain today, they themselves killed him 1400 years ago.
Then why they beat themselves today? Why they cry? Is this repentance for the crime which their forefathers did 1400 years ago with the grandson of Prophet (S) or something else?
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reply: Let this discussion be healthy without hurting anyones sentiments
As this topic needs time in length n breadth, first let me get assured that you love our Prophet (s) and you believe Islam that Prophet Mohammad (s) spreaded is the loved religion of Allah (swt).
Secondly, as you have mentioned the relations of Imam Hussain (a.s) with Prophet (s.a) and his relation with Imam Ali (a.s) [son in-law of Prophet s.a] and his relation with sayida Fatima (s) [daughter of Prophet s.a]... I'm sure you know full connection and relation and the personality i.e. Imam Hussain (a.s) is by all means of knowledge.
If your answer is YES, then you must have also read traditions of Imam Hussain (a.s) wherein Imam Hussain (a.s) speaks to MUSLIMS.
Your indirect allegation of mourning is understood and I would like to draw your attention to the following tradition of our Prophet (s.a)
Sheikh Sadooq relates from his chain of authorities from Ibne Abbas that, Imam Ali (a.s.) asked the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.), "Do you hold Aqeel dear to yourself"? The Prophet replied,
"Yes by Allah! I do hold him dear due to two reasons. The first being that I personally hold him dear, second being that Abu Talib loved him, and that his son (Muslim) will die befriending your son (Imam Husain). And verily the eyes of the believers will weep (over his martyrdom) and the Angels close to Allah will send blessings upon him."
The Prophet started weeping and tears fell upon his chest, then he said,
"I complain to Allah regarding that (pain and sufferings) which my Progeny will have to bear after my death."
In another tradition Imam Ja'far as Sadiq (a.s.) said that,
"Recite Surah al Fajr in your obligatory (wajib) and superarogatory (Nafilah) morning Prayers, for it is particularly related to Imam Husain (a.s.). Have you not heard the words of Allah the Exalted in this Verse (Ayah):
O Tranquilled Soul at (complete) rest! Return to your Lord, well-pleased (with Him), (and) His being well-pleased with you." (Surah Fajr:Ayah 27-30)
Here Imam Husain (a.s.) is referred to as the
"Tranquilled Soul, well-pleased (with Allah) and His being well-pleased with him."
His companions from the family of the Prophet, are those who will be pleased with Allah on the day of Qiyamah and Allah too will be pleased with them. Verily this Surah is particularly connected to Imam Husain, his followers (Shi'ah), and the followers (Shi'ah) of the Progeny of Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.s.). The one who continuously recites this Surah will remain with Imam Husain (a.s.) in Paradise in his elevated station, and verily Allah is Predominant and All-Wise."
the revealation of Imam Hussain (a.s)'s killing had come to Prophet (s.a) when Imam Hussain (a.s) was child - which was related to chain of narrators ....
If we both check history of our Prophet (s.a) and traditions matching with Holy Quran then there remain NO question of difference of opinion.
Last, read following:
Through a successive chain of authorities reaching Sheikh Mufeed, who relates that, one day the Holy Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.s.) was seated and Imam Ali (a.s.), Sayidda Fatemah (a.s.), Imam Hasan (a.s.), and Imam Husain (a.s.) were sitting around him. The Prophet addressed them and said,
"What will be your state when all of you will be killed and your graves will lie scattered"?
Imam Husain (a.s.) said,
"Will we die a natural death or will we be martyred"?
The Prophet replied,
"O my dear son! You will be killed with oppression and cruelty, and your brother (Hasan) too will be killed with tyranny and cruelty, and your offspring will be scattered over the land."
Husain asked,
"Who will kill us, O Prophet of Allah"?
He replied,
"The worst among men",
then Imam Husain inquired,
"Then will anyone come to visit us (our graves) after our death"?
The Prophet answered,
"Yes my dear son! A group of people from among my community will come to visit your graves seeking my pleasure. Then on the day of Qiyamah, near the station of accounting, I will go to them and catching hold of their hands will save them from it's terrors and sorrows."
read the line above 4-5 times and tell me what do you feel.
Don't you think we all are community of Prophet (s.a)???
Don't you think we all should visit grave of Imam Hussain (a.s) as said by our beloved Prophet (s.a)???
Don't you think we are betraying our beloved Prophet (s.a) by showing such attitude towards each other???
[ reply : I think there is some misunderstanding about my question. I ve asked about who killed Imam Hussain (RA)? Not whether we have to visit the graves or not.
Apart from this, all the traditions which you have quoted are from Shia books and literature, which are of no use in the view of other sects. Be logical rather than proving from your own books.
Here I am not saying that I am against the position of Imam Hussain (RA) and sayings of Prophet (S) about Hussain (RA), but lets first discuss the Holy Martyrdom of Imam Hussain and betrayal from his own Shias of Kufa.
in response:
As far as your questions are concerned; may Allah (swt) let me make proper use of my pinch of knowledge...
Coming to your point, which is in sense of a BLAME on Battle of Karbala. we cry in the memory of Imam Husain, for:
1- all the messengers of God cried for him;
2- all the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt cried for him;
3- we love him more than we love our fathers and our dear ones;
4- he is a Symbol of resistance against tyranny and the leader of the Martyrs for us;
5- we want to swear allegiance to him and his path and keep aloof from their enemies;
6- his aims have not been fully achieved and his blood has not been revenged yet. As such, we keep this event with all its emotion alive until such time that Imam Mahdi (AS) appears who will cleanse the surface of the Earth form all such tyrants;
7- condolence to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) and the members of Ahlul-Bayt;
8- abiding the instruction of Ahlul-Bayt in remembering this event and seeking the reward associated with it.
And there are much more reasons that you will find if you switch the books at your disposal and study some Shi`ite literature regarding to Imam Husain (a.s).
As for the stupid claim that the Shia killed Imam Husain (a.s), I would like to first ask you what is the definition of Shia. If Shia means all those who claim to love Ahlul Bayt, then I can tell you that ALL Muslims, with no exception from the time of the Prophet (s) till today are Shia! Even the Wahhabis are Shia by your definition. Shia means "followers", and as such those who forsake their leader can not be considered his followers by any stretch of imagination.
The true followers (Shia) of Ahlul-Bayt have always been in minority. The Shia of Imam Husain were those who stayed with him in Kerbala (beside those who did not have ability to join him due to justifiable reasons. Examples include, but are not limited to: Ibn Abbas and Jabir Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari who were both blind at that time).
Those who fought Imam Husain comprise those you claim to be Tabi'een (disciples of companions) whom you believe you should follow! Those who fought Imam Husain were NEVER the followers of Ahlul-Bayt unless you believe in contradiction. Those who joined the army of Yazid were rather the followers of Satan. Yes, some of those who wrote to Imam Husain to come over Iraq, did not support him later, for the simple reason that they were not his followers but rather the followers of their own whims. They were people who were tired of the oppression of the Umayad, and they were looking for a an easy relief. Some of them thought if Imam Husain takes over the power and they will be able to get rid of oppression and more importantly they were thinking of reaching to money, position in his government. But after the pressure of the agent of Yazid in Kufah and the enforcement of marshal law, and when they saw that their lives are in jeopardy and their dreams are unlikely to take place, they forsook Imam Husain's deputy.
They were no better than Talha and Zubair who supported Imam Ali (a.s) at the beginning for their own worldly interests, but when they found that the Imam will not fulfill such interests for them they went against him and fought him. Do you ever claim that Talha and Zubair were the Shia of Ali? Certainly not. Shia means "followers", and those who forsake their leader can not be considered his followers by any stretch of imagination.
BTW, you, as a Sunni, acknowledge Imam Ali (a.s) to be a righteous Caliph. Does that make you Shia? Certainly not. Similarly, most of those who were living under the government of Imam Ali (a.s) were not his followers, and that was why they rebelled against him for their own worldly interest, the list include: Aisha/Talha/Zubair and their supporters, as well as those whom Imam Ali named them al-Khawarij (kharijites) who disobeyed Imam Ali in the battle of Siffin and announced that Ali is a polytheist (Mushrik). No doubt that Imam Ali gave an oath that he will fight and kill all of them except nine individuals who will be able to escape (one of which later murdered Imam Ali (a.s)), and this exactly happened in the battle of Nahrawan. Imam Ali never called them Shia, nor the historians claimed them as such, but you do! The Shia of Imam Ali are those for whom the Messenger of Allah as follows:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."
Sunni references:
(1) Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
(2) Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
(3) Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
(4) al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
(5) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
(6) al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
(7) al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247
Thus the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) used to say the phrase of "Shia of Ali". This phrase is not something invented later! Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said that the true followers of imam Ali will go to Paradise, and this is a great felicity. Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"
Sunni references:
- al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:
- Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62
- Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will aquire salvation on the day of judgment."
The "day of rising" could also refer to the day of rising of al-Mahdi (AS). But in more general term, it means the day of judgment.
The stupid claim that Shia killed Imam Husain follows that the Prophet states those who will kill Imam Husain will go to Paradise! Perhaps, you believe that's why Yazid did so.
Such claim by Wahhabis has been made solely to cover the nasty face of the tyrannical leaders of that time and to drift the attention from their horrible crime, and to justify their rule. It will not be surprising that they have gone as far as saying it was the legitimate right of Yazid to take all possible action to preserve his dynasty. In contrast with the claim of these individuals, the Sunni history confirms that Imam Husain was killed by the direct order of Yazid (LA):
Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad (the governor of Yazid in Kufah) was leaving Iraq to Syria after the battle of Karbala, with a guard of his followers. Shuraih (the payroll Judge who gave verdict that the blood of Imam Husain is Halaal) noticed that he was silent for a long time, he approached him and said: "O Ubaydullah, I think it bothered you that you killed Husain?! Ubaydullah said: No! Indeed Yazid had ordered me to either kill Husain or he (Yazid) will kill me.
Sunni reference: History of Ibn Athir, v4, p140
The above gives evidence to the fact that he was Yazid who gave the direct order to kill Imam Husain (a.s). Later, when the scandal of his horrible crime and the abuse of the household of the Prophet started shaking his regime, he condemned the act of Ibn Ziyad in public and disassociated himself. It has also been reported that:
Yazid ordered the head of Husain brought to Syria, when it was put to him he started abusing it and beating it with his stick and said the following Poetry:
I wish that my elders in Badr witness the fear of Khazraj from the falling of the swords. Then they would have cherished and savored (my act) and by saying O Yazid may your arm be powerful (for getting revenge by killing Husain).
Sunni refernces:
- Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch. 11, pp 331-332
- al-Radd Ala al-Muta'assib al-Aneed, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p47-48
- Tarikh Alisalm v5, p18-19
Ibn al-Jawzi comments:
It is not difficult to understand why Ibn Ziyad (the governor of Yazid in Kufah) fought Husain, but the more surprising was the brutality of Yazid in abusing the head of Husain and whipping Husain's mouth with his stick, and ordering to carry the household of the Prophet on camels without saddle, and many other shameful acts such as displaying his head in the city. It is certain that he (Yazid) did not have any intention but to humiliate (the household of the Prophet) by displaying the head. Such action is permissible only for al-Khawarij and transgressors. Had not Yazid have the rancor of the al-Jahiliyyah (the era before Islam) and the malice of (the defeat of his clan in) the battle of Badr, he would have respected the head (of Imam Husain) when he had received it and he would have buried it with shroud.
Sunni references:
- Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch 11, pp 331, quoted from Ibn al-Jawzi.
- al-Radd Ala al-Muta'assib al-Aneed, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p48
Also Ibn Jawzi in his commentary about Ibn Hanbal's damning of Yazid said:
"would there be a greater crime than killing Husain?!"
It should be noted that many Sunni scholars allow explicit curse of Yazid, among them are Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Ibn al-Jawzi. Ahmad proves his opinion by Quran. (See al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v8, p223; also Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of Ch. 11, pp 331-332; also al-Radd Ala al-Muta'assib al-Aneed, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p47-48). However, as Ibn Hajar wrote, the least thing that is agreed upon by ALL the Sunni scholars (including the pseudo ones) is as follows:
It is unanimously agreed that it is permissible to curse those who killed Husain (may Allah be pleased with him) and those who ordered his killing and those who allowed it and those who were pleased with that action, without explicitly mentioning the name of Yazid.
Sunni reference: Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch 11, p334
Let us now see the opinion of the son of Yazid about his father and grandfather, who was the witness from within the royal family!
...When (Yazid) offered the kingdom (throne) to his son, Muawiyah the second, in order that the flag of caliphate continues to wave in the house of Abi Sufyan!
After his death, Muawiyah the second, gathered the people on a well known day, he stood in them preaching, he said:
"My grandfather Muawiyah stripped the command from those who deserved it, and from one who is more justified of it, for his relation to the Messenger of Allah and his being first in Islam, and that is Ali Ibn Abi Talib, he (Muawiyah) took over it by your help as you are fully aware."
"Then following it my father Yazid wore the command after him, and he did not deserve it. He quarreled with the son of the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and by that he shortened his own life... He rode his whim and hope left him behind." Then he cried and continued:
"Surely, the greatest problems of us is our knowledge of his bad behavior and his awful ending, and that he killed the progeny (Itrah) of the Messenger of Allah, and he permitted drinking alcohol, and he fought in the sanctuary of Mecca, and destroyed the Ka'ba."
"And I am not the one who is dressing up for your command, nor the one to be responsible for your followers... You choose for yourselves..!!"
Sunni References:
- Khulafaa al-Rasool, by Khalid Mohammed Khalid, p531 (The above Quote included author's punctuation.)
- Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch 11, pp 336
Now, please offer these reports to your other friends and see if they to know better as to who killed Imam Husain.
Also Shabrawi wrote in his book that: "Would any man of reason doubts that Yazid killed Husain?"
Sunni reference: Alethaf, by Shabrawi, pp 62,66
Moreover, In Ibn Abbas's reply to a letter by Yazid, he said: "Do not think that I will forget your crime of killing Imam Husain (a.s)"
Sunni reference: Tarikh Ya'qubi, v2, p249
Then can any man of reason think that Yazid did not order killing Imam Husain?!!!
The above was just few Sunni documents out of many, to prove this fact.
the discussion has ended thus far...still awaiting a reply from the brother....
[]the question: It is well known fact that Imam Hussain (RA) is the grand son of Holy Prophet (S) and Son of Hazrat Ali (RA) and Janabe Fatima (RA), and one of the most Holy personalities of Islam.
But when we go to the reason behind why he has been martyred in the battle of Karbala, the fact is very heinous and strange. Those who are taking name of Imam Hussain today, they themselves killed him 1400 years ago.
Then why they beat themselves today? Why they cry? Is this repentance for the crime which their forefathers did 1400 years ago with the grandson of Prophet (S) or something else?
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reply: Let this discussion be healthy without hurting anyones sentiments
As this topic needs time in length n breadth, first let me get assured that you love our Prophet (s) and you believe Islam that Prophet Mohammad (s) spreaded is the loved religion of Allah (swt).
Secondly, as you have mentioned the relations of Imam Hussain (a.s) with Prophet (s.a) and his relation with Imam Ali (a.s) [son in-law of Prophet s.a] and his relation with sayida Fatima (s) [daughter of Prophet s.a]... I'm sure you know full connection and relation and the personality i.e. Imam Hussain (a.s) is by all means of knowledge.
If your answer is YES, then you must have also read traditions of Imam Hussain (a.s) wherein Imam Hussain (a.s) speaks to MUSLIMS.
Your indirect allegation of mourning is understood and I would like to draw your attention to the following tradition of our Prophet (s.a)
Sheikh Sadooq relates from his chain of authorities from Ibne Abbas that, Imam Ali (a.s.) asked the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.), "Do you hold Aqeel dear to yourself"? The Prophet replied,
"Yes by Allah! I do hold him dear due to two reasons. The first being that I personally hold him dear, second being that Abu Talib loved him, and that his son (Muslim) will die befriending your son (Imam Husain). And verily the eyes of the believers will weep (over his martyrdom) and the Angels close to Allah will send blessings upon him."
The Prophet started weeping and tears fell upon his chest, then he said,
"I complain to Allah regarding that (pain and sufferings) which my Progeny will have to bear after my death."
In another tradition Imam Ja'far as Sadiq (a.s.) said that,
"Recite Surah al Fajr in your obligatory (wajib) and superarogatory (Nafilah) morning Prayers, for it is particularly related to Imam Husain (a.s.). Have you not heard the words of Allah the Exalted in this Verse (Ayah):
O Tranquilled Soul at (complete) rest! Return to your Lord, well-pleased (with Him), (and) His being well-pleased with you." (Surah Fajr:Ayah 27-30)
Here Imam Husain (a.s.) is referred to as the
"Tranquilled Soul, well-pleased (with Allah) and His being well-pleased with him."
His companions from the family of the Prophet, are those who will be pleased with Allah on the day of Qiyamah and Allah too will be pleased with them. Verily this Surah is particularly connected to Imam Husain, his followers (Shi'ah), and the followers (Shi'ah) of the Progeny of Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.s.). The one who continuously recites this Surah will remain with Imam Husain (a.s.) in Paradise in his elevated station, and verily Allah is Predominant and All-Wise."
the revealation of Imam Hussain (a.s)'s killing had come to Prophet (s.a) when Imam Hussain (a.s) was child - which was related to chain of narrators ....
If we both check history of our Prophet (s.a) and traditions matching with Holy Quran then there remain NO question of difference of opinion.
Last, read following:
Through a successive chain of authorities reaching Sheikh Mufeed, who relates that, one day the Holy Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w.s.) was seated and Imam Ali (a.s.), Sayidda Fatemah (a.s.), Imam Hasan (a.s.), and Imam Husain (a.s.) were sitting around him. The Prophet addressed them and said,
"What will be your state when all of you will be killed and your graves will lie scattered"?
Imam Husain (a.s.) said,
"Will we die a natural death or will we be martyred"?
The Prophet replied,
"O my dear son! You will be killed with oppression and cruelty, and your brother (Hasan) too will be killed with tyranny and cruelty, and your offspring will be scattered over the land."
Husain asked,
"Who will kill us, O Prophet of Allah"?
He replied,
"The worst among men",
then Imam Husain inquired,
"Then will anyone come to visit us (our graves) after our death"?
The Prophet answered,
"Yes my dear son! A group of people from among my community will come to visit your graves seeking my pleasure. Then on the day of Qiyamah, near the station of accounting, I will go to them and catching hold of their hands will save them from it's terrors and sorrows."
read the line above 4-5 times and tell me what do you feel.
Don't you think we all are community of Prophet (s.a)???
Don't you think we all should visit grave of Imam Hussain (a.s) as said by our beloved Prophet (s.a)???
Don't you think we are betraying our beloved Prophet (s.a) by showing such attitude towards each other???
[ reply : I think there is some misunderstanding about my question. I ve asked about who killed Imam Hussain (RA)? Not whether we have to visit the graves or not.
Apart from this, all the traditions which you have quoted are from Shia books and literature, which are of no use in the view of other sects. Be logical rather than proving from your own books.
Here I am not saying that I am against the position of Imam Hussain (RA) and sayings of Prophet (S) about Hussain (RA), but lets first discuss the Holy Martyrdom of Imam Hussain and betrayal from his own Shias of Kufa.
in response:
As far as your questions are concerned; may Allah (swt) let me make proper use of my pinch of knowledge...
Coming to your point, which is in sense of a BLAME on Battle of Karbala. we cry in the memory of Imam Husain, for:
1- all the messengers of God cried for him;
2- all the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt cried for him;
3- we love him more than we love our fathers and our dear ones;
4- he is a Symbol of resistance against tyranny and the leader of the Martyrs for us;
5- we want to swear allegiance to him and his path and keep aloof from their enemies;
6- his aims have not been fully achieved and his blood has not been revenged yet. As such, we keep this event with all its emotion alive until such time that Imam Mahdi (AS) appears who will cleanse the surface of the Earth form all such tyrants;
7- condolence to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) and the members of Ahlul-Bayt;
8- abiding the instruction of Ahlul-Bayt in remembering this event and seeking the reward associated with it.
And there are much more reasons that you will find if you switch the books at your disposal and study some Shi`ite literature regarding to Imam Husain (a.s).
As for the stupid claim that the Shia killed Imam Husain (a.s), I would like to first ask you what is the definition of Shia. If Shia means all those who claim to love Ahlul Bayt, then I can tell you that ALL Muslims, with no exception from the time of the Prophet (s) till today are Shia! Even the Wahhabis are Shia by your definition. Shia means "followers", and as such those who forsake their leader can not be considered his followers by any stretch of imagination.
The true followers (Shia) of Ahlul-Bayt have always been in minority. The Shia of Imam Husain were those who stayed with him in Kerbala (beside those who did not have ability to join him due to justifiable reasons. Examples include, but are not limited to: Ibn Abbas and Jabir Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari who were both blind at that time).
Those who fought Imam Husain comprise those you claim to be Tabi'een (disciples of companions) whom you believe you should follow! Those who fought Imam Husain were NEVER the followers of Ahlul-Bayt unless you believe in contradiction. Those who joined the army of Yazid were rather the followers of Satan. Yes, some of those who wrote to Imam Husain to come over Iraq, did not support him later, for the simple reason that they were not his followers but rather the followers of their own whims. They were people who were tired of the oppression of the Umayad, and they were looking for a an easy relief. Some of them thought if Imam Husain takes over the power and they will be able to get rid of oppression and more importantly they were thinking of reaching to money, position in his government. But after the pressure of the agent of Yazid in Kufah and the enforcement of marshal law, and when they saw that their lives are in jeopardy and their dreams are unlikely to take place, they forsook Imam Husain's deputy.
They were no better than Talha and Zubair who supported Imam Ali (a.s) at the beginning for their own worldly interests, but when they found that the Imam will not fulfill such interests for them they went against him and fought him. Do you ever claim that Talha and Zubair were the Shia of Ali? Certainly not. Shia means "followers", and those who forsake their leader can not be considered his followers by any stretch of imagination.
BTW, you, as a Sunni, acknowledge Imam Ali (a.s) to be a righteous Caliph. Does that make you Shia? Certainly not. Similarly, most of those who were living under the government of Imam Ali (a.s) were not his followers, and that was why they rebelled against him for their own worldly interest, the list include: Aisha/Talha/Zubair and their supporters, as well as those whom Imam Ali named them al-Khawarij (kharijites) who disobeyed Imam Ali in the battle of Siffin and announced that Ali is a polytheist (Mushrik). No doubt that Imam Ali gave an oath that he will fight and kill all of them except nine individuals who will be able to escape (one of which later murdered Imam Ali (a.s)), and this exactly happened in the battle of Nahrawan. Imam Ali never called them Shia, nor the historians claimed them as such, but you do! The Shia of Imam Ali are those for whom the Messenger of Allah as follows:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."
Sunni references:
(1) Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
(2) Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
(3) Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
(4) al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
(5) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
(6) al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
(7) al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247
Thus the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) used to say the phrase of "Shia of Ali". This phrase is not something invented later! Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said that the true followers of imam Ali will go to Paradise, and this is a great felicity. Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"
Sunni references:
- al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:
- Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62
- Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will aquire salvation on the day of judgment."
The "day of rising" could also refer to the day of rising of al-Mahdi (AS). But in more general term, it means the day of judgment.
The stupid claim that Shia killed Imam Husain follows that the Prophet states those who will kill Imam Husain will go to Paradise! Perhaps, you believe that's why Yazid did so.
Such claim by Wahhabis has been made solely to cover the nasty face of the tyrannical leaders of that time and to drift the attention from their horrible crime, and to justify their rule. It will not be surprising that they have gone as far as saying it was the legitimate right of Yazid to take all possible action to preserve his dynasty. In contrast with the claim of these individuals, the Sunni history confirms that Imam Husain was killed by the direct order of Yazid (LA):
Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad (the governor of Yazid in Kufah) was leaving Iraq to Syria after the battle of Karbala, with a guard of his followers. Shuraih (the payroll Judge who gave verdict that the blood of Imam Husain is Halaal) noticed that he was silent for a long time, he approached him and said: "O Ubaydullah, I think it bothered you that you killed Husain?! Ubaydullah said: No! Indeed Yazid had ordered me to either kill Husain or he (Yazid) will kill me.
Sunni reference: History of Ibn Athir, v4, p140
The above gives evidence to the fact that he was Yazid who gave the direct order to kill Imam Husain (a.s). Later, when the scandal of his horrible crime and the abuse of the household of the Prophet started shaking his regime, he condemned the act of Ibn Ziyad in public and disassociated himself. It has also been reported that:
Yazid ordered the head of Husain brought to Syria, when it was put to him he started abusing it and beating it with his stick and said the following Poetry:
I wish that my elders in Badr witness the fear of Khazraj from the falling of the swords. Then they would have cherished and savored (my act) and by saying O Yazid may your arm be powerful (for getting revenge by killing Husain).
Sunni refernces:
- Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch. 11, pp 331-332
- al-Radd Ala al-Muta'assib al-Aneed, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p47-48
- Tarikh Alisalm v5, p18-19
Ibn al-Jawzi comments:
It is not difficult to understand why Ibn Ziyad (the governor of Yazid in Kufah) fought Husain, but the more surprising was the brutality of Yazid in abusing the head of Husain and whipping Husain's mouth with his stick, and ordering to carry the household of the Prophet on camels without saddle, and many other shameful acts such as displaying his head in the city. It is certain that he (Yazid) did not have any intention but to humiliate (the household of the Prophet) by displaying the head. Such action is permissible only for al-Khawarij and transgressors. Had not Yazid have the rancor of the al-Jahiliyyah (the era before Islam) and the malice of (the defeat of his clan in) the battle of Badr, he would have respected the head (of Imam Husain) when he had received it and he would have buried it with shroud.
Sunni references:
- Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch 11, pp 331, quoted from Ibn al-Jawzi.
- al-Radd Ala al-Muta'assib al-Aneed, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p48
Also Ibn Jawzi in his commentary about Ibn Hanbal's damning of Yazid said:
"would there be a greater crime than killing Husain?!"
It should be noted that many Sunni scholars allow explicit curse of Yazid, among them are Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Ibn al-Jawzi. Ahmad proves his opinion by Quran. (See al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v8, p223; also Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of Ch. 11, pp 331-332; also al-Radd Ala al-Muta'assib al-Aneed, by Ibn al-Jawzi, p47-48). However, as Ibn Hajar wrote, the least thing that is agreed upon by ALL the Sunni scholars (including the pseudo ones) is as follows:
It is unanimously agreed that it is permissible to curse those who killed Husain (may Allah be pleased with him) and those who ordered his killing and those who allowed it and those who were pleased with that action, without explicitly mentioning the name of Yazid.
Sunni reference: Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch 11, p334
Let us now see the opinion of the son of Yazid about his father and grandfather, who was the witness from within the royal family!
...When (Yazid) offered the kingdom (throne) to his son, Muawiyah the second, in order that the flag of caliphate continues to wave in the house of Abi Sufyan!
After his death, Muawiyah the second, gathered the people on a well known day, he stood in them preaching, he said:
"My grandfather Muawiyah stripped the command from those who deserved it, and from one who is more justified of it, for his relation to the Messenger of Allah and his being first in Islam, and that is Ali Ibn Abi Talib, he (Muawiyah) took over it by your help as you are fully aware."
"Then following it my father Yazid wore the command after him, and he did not deserve it. He quarreled with the son of the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and by that he shortened his own life... He rode his whim and hope left him behind." Then he cried and continued:
"Surely, the greatest problems of us is our knowledge of his bad behavior and his awful ending, and that he killed the progeny (Itrah) of the Messenger of Allah, and he permitted drinking alcohol, and he fought in the sanctuary of Mecca, and destroyed the Ka'ba."
"And I am not the one who is dressing up for your command, nor the one to be responsible for your followers... You choose for yourselves..!!"
Sunni References:
- Khulafaa al-Rasool, by Khalid Mohammed Khalid, p531 (The above Quote included author's punctuation.)
- Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of ch 11, pp 336
Now, please offer these reports to your other friends and see if they to know better as to who killed Imam Husain.
Also Shabrawi wrote in his book that: "Would any man of reason doubts that Yazid killed Husain?"
Sunni reference: Alethaf, by Shabrawi, pp 62,66
Moreover, In Ibn Abbas's reply to a letter by Yazid, he said: "Do not think that I will forget your crime of killing Imam Husain (a.s)"
Sunni reference: Tarikh Ya'qubi, v2, p249
Then can any man of reason think that Yazid did not order killing Imam Husain?!!!
The above was just few Sunni documents out of many, to prove this fact.
the discussion has ended thus far...still awaiting a reply from the brother....